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Please help - how to reframe "counseled out" in interviews?

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Anonym A fragte am 30. Juli 2023

Hi forum, would deeply appreciate your suggestions on this topic. Consulting firms have over-hired in my region last year, and my company was stricter on performance. They canceled the “PIP” mechanism, and staffs get counseled out if you underperform once. Half of the new experienced hires were counseled out or didn't pass the probation. 

Although I have passed probation and stayed at the firm for 1 year, I was counseled out due to underperformance, and in the end I resigned myself. I'd like to seek your advice on how to frame / articulate the reason of leaving. Currently, I can only think of 2 approaches as below. Not sure whether there's any better idea?

1) Left "involuntarily" due to downsizing, as company didn't have enough project due to economic downturn. 

Personally I tend to use this version… However downsizing is not totally true, as the counseled out was based on performance. On the other hand, the company has indeed be stricter and a high proportion of new joiners were impacted. (Not sure whether this reason is defined as lying?)  

2) Say the truth that I was asked to leave due to underperformance.

I think this would be a bad idea - no matter how I spin the story and state what I've learned from the experience, once I'm labeled as underperformer, companies will not be interested in me.

Would really appreciate your support and suggestion. Indeed a tough time, and I hope other people facing layoff / counsel out can find an ideal job too!

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Sonia
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antwortete am 30. Juli 2023
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First off- that is a difficult situation to be in, and as long as you've taken the feedback, nothing to be harsh on yourself about. 

I would position your experience as not being a good fit (hence the counseled out). You can then go into strengths you have that might not have been relevant there but are for the new role, and what you have learnt/ are carrying over from your experience. As long as your references checks are positive, I would not be too worried. 

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Cristian
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antwortete am 31. Juli 2023
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Hi there, 

That's challenging indeed. 

First of all, sorry to hear about the situation. 

This sounds frustrating indeed. 

So, I would take a step back from your two options and already call them a ‘last resort discussion.' 

What I would do instead is focus less of them and try to lead the discussion with the interviewers somewhere else. 

You could also say that there were few projects, you were unstaffed for long and then you decided to switch to a different firm and look for other opportunities. 

If you're applying for roles now, it's important to go broad, especially since firms are going through this tough period. Recommending you the following guide to start from:

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Cristian

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Andi
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antwortete am 31. Juli 2023
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Hi there,

first of all, sorry to hear that your previous consulting experience did not work out as planned. 
 

That said, while it might feel uncomfortable for the timing, this is nothing to worry about from a career perspective. Now you have a very strong brand name on your CV that will make your profile attractive for the rest of your career.

With regards to your question - how to position your involuntary exit, my honest advice is to not even touch on this topic. There is no need to reveal that you underperformed - nohting for you to win going down this path. Rather, if ever asked, I suggest you focus on talking about why YOU WANTED to change / why the opportunities with the firm in the current downturn were not as attractive as hoped.  

If you'd like to have a further chat about how to best manage the situation, reposition your profile and land steller exit options, feel free to reach out via DM. 

Hope this helps.

Regards, Andi

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Ian
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antwortete am 2. Aug. 2023
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Hi there,

Sorry to hear :/ Know that you're not the only one here.

Honestly, I wouldn't go with either of these as the default.

Rather, highlight how much you learned and developed but say it was time to move on to the next thing. Focus on the positive and where you're moving.

As a last resort (if they push), you can say the pipeline was quite light/weak and it was time for you to leave.

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