Committing from rural area to city (Europe)

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Anonymous A asked on Feb 03, 2023

Looking for guidance (post-offer) on how to handle commuting to the office from a rural area. Had initially planned to do 4 days/week (arrive night before Day 1 and leave evening of Day 4), but pressure rising to do more.

Initially was that policy was 3 days/week in office, but more encouraged, and now thats creeping up in favour of culture/learning etc. to 5/5. 

Am concerned that the 5/5 in office will be necessary for success/advancement, which wasn't the initial plan during applying (moving from industry to consulting). Had accepted travelling for clients, but not being in office 90/100% of time for sake of it. 

Can I set boundaries without getting things off to a wrong start? Or is my perspective the problem?

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Benjamin
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replied on Feb 04, 2023
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Hi,

Will share based on my experience at both a T2 and MBB, having experienced client work pre and also ‘post’ covid. 

At the end of the day, it depends on what your objective is and also your perspective on what is needed to get there.

1) Is 5/5 needed for success/advancement?

  • Pre-covid, the norm was 4/5. You'd spend 4 days at client site and then Friday back in office. 
    • Practically the only people that had to be in office for 4/5 on client case were the PE ringfences/those on DDs
  • Friday's were the best (not just because its the weekend) but because it was a chance for the team to regroup internally in a more relaxed environment. More often than not, we took the opportunity to clear our expenses, connect with other colleagues and have drinks in office
  • Even pre-covid, there were many people that did not come into office on Friday, and rather chose to WFH/do their own stuff
  • In an outcome driven culture (at least those I were part of), people didn't really care if you didn't come in on Friday
  • 4/5 was still needed because of the belief that you had to be on client site (and more often than not, clients demanded this)
  • What was more important was the output and performance achieved in the 4/5 and, to take a step back, on your evaluations
  • Even pre-covid, there were many high performers who did not come into office at all on Fridays

2) Is 3/5 enough? Will there be times where travel/on-ground is necessary even though it is painful/difficult?

  • Thus that brings us to the next question - is 3/5 enough? is 4/5 enough? 
  • Consulting is very much an apprenticeship - for myself and many other PLs/managers, Covid was extremely challenging because we were not able to ‘look over the shoulder’ of our teams. We found ways to workaround it, but for me I think for many parts of the job, in-person instruction is way more effective and helpful
  • As a new hire, you need time to build your skills and more importantly your reputation
  • I would say, based on a pre-Covid baseline, that 4/5 ('client facing time') was the norm and enough for people to ramp up and demonstrate good performance
    • However if your firms model is 5/5 client site, then thats a different question totally, and section #3 below becomes all the more relevant
  • Then there will be times when you need to travel (painfully), for the sake of the case. On implementation cases I've done, i travelled Sunday night out, Friday red eye back, because otherwise nothing would have moved on the case

3) How much is enough? Can I set boundaries without getting things off to a wrong start?

  • Ultimately, this is a negotiation with yourself, on how comfortable you are with balancing and toeing the lines between your own ability to grow, your socialization with your peers, and your own ambition
  • Socializing with peers / superiors on Friday does put your face out there, and sometimes helps you get information on new cases etc
  • On the case that I chose to fly a painful schedule for, could I have chosen to fly less? Probably, but that would have meant poorer outcomes on the case. Would it have got me counselled out, probably not, but it definitely did contribute to getting a stronger trajectory overall
  • In the mid-long term, the question is would you be okay to do less/fly less/have better balance if it meant you were borderline average, and not a top performer?
  • In the short term, most new joiners choose to bite the bullet and ‘put in the hours’ before they establish their reputation

Once you have a good reputation, you have typically a lot more flexibility and leeway. But I hope the above has shown you that there really is no ‘model’ path. I have known fast promotes who never showed their face in office ever :)

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Hi there,

I think this is an interesting question that may be relevant for many people. I would be happy to share my thoughts on it:

  • I would highly advise you to discuss your concerns with your supervisor or HR representative and come to a mutual agreement on the number of days per week you need to be in the office. It might also be possible to negotiate a flexible schedule or remote work options that can help you balance your work and personal life.
  • However, please keep in mind that the culture and demands of your employer can change over time and being present in the office is often seen as a sign of commitment and dedication to the company – whether this is a reasonable assumption or not.

If you would like a more detailed discussion on how to address your specific situation, please don't hesitate to contact me directly.

Best,

Hagen

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Hi there,

Congratulations on the offer! In terms of your question:

Q: Initially was that policy was 3 days/week in office, but more encouraged, and now thats creeping up in favour of culture/learning etc. to 5/5. Can I set boundaries without getting things off to a wrong start? Or is my perspective the problem?

If you already know that the general culture in your company is 5/5 now, you will most likely have to adapt to that to have a good career there. However, you can also check with your manager if sometimes you could organize 4 days in the office only in case that's important to you.

You can explain that you knew there was a different policy before and that you are fine with the new one, but wanted to know if there could still be an option to accommodate day 5 not in the office sometimes. 

Your manager should explain what he/she believes is better, you can then see if there is space or not for that and if that fits better your needs.

Best,

Francesco

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Ian
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updated an answer on Feb 04, 2023
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Hi there,

When I did my internship in Sydney I paid 3x rent to what my fellow interns did just to stay 10 min from the office.

When I got a full-time offer I decided to live in Melbourne (which I didn't like) instead of Brisbane, because that's where the office was.

Today I refuse to sacrifice my well-being/happiness. But, at the time, I made a deliberate/conscious choice to sacrifice it because I was willing to "do my time” to get the job, promotion, etc. (to reap the rewards later)

You need to decide what stage of your life/career you're in.

The short answer is that yes, you are at a career/progression disadvantage if you are not in the office as much as your peers, if you are more tired because you have a longer commute, etc. 

If you accept that, great! But don't “pretend” it's not a thing - make a conscious, eyes-wide-open decision here.

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Cristian
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Hi there, 

Sorry to hear about the situation. 

Yes, you can try and set boundaries, but this also depends on your current value proposition and tenure. It's easier to set boundaries if you're known for something specific in the firm and everybody wants to work with you and you've also had quite some experience in the firm. It's must harder if you don't have that. 

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Cristian

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