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MBB Selectivity based on Timing and Geography

Hey all,

I am in a bit of a special situation, in which I have the opportunity to interview in different geographies for the same MBBs, particularly Switzerland vs. Germany/Austria. As such, I was wondering:

 

1. Is there any advice on whether interviewing in Q4 2022 vs. Q1 2023 would make any difference? 

My thoughts is basically any EOY Hiring targets that may impact me, vs. fresh targets next year but possibly a worsening economy and thus lower hiring targets.

2. Is there a different selectivity in different offices? 

In my mind this could be due to e.g. different demographics applying, headcount/application ration, etc.

Thanks!

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am 9. Nov. 2022
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Hi there, 

Let me take your questions one by one. 

1. Is there any advice on whether interviewing in Q4 2022 vs. Q1 2023 would make any difference? 

Theoretically not, but from my experience I would say that most firms approach their hiring targets towards the end of the year and become more selective. 

On the other hand, I've also have a couple of candidates, in the US specifically, who were told after passing the screening that they will be invited to the interview, and then soon were informed that the firm decided not to interview any longer since they restricted the number of roles (due to the economic situation). This is unlikely to be different in Q1 next year, but at least if I were you I'd rather interview then and use the time in between to really become a distinctive candidate.

2. Is there a different selectivity in different offices? 
Again, theoretically no :), since MBBs claim to apply the same standards regardless of the office. I would say that in practice you might be in a better position as a German applying in Germany and as a Swiss in Switzerland. 

Best of luck with the prep and the interviews!
Cristian

Ken
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am 9. Nov. 2022
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Hi there,

1. Is there any advice on whether interviewing in Q4 2022 vs. Q1 2023 would make any difference? 
On an individual level, this usually doesn't matter. In any case, even if you interview in Q4 2022, you most likely would start in 2023 anyways, hence, would count towards the 2023 headcount regardless of when you interview. 

2. Is there a different selectivity in different offices?

Acceptance rates usually are the same in DACH. A minor factor you should consider is that in Switzerland they often have a slight preference for Swiss German speakers in Zurich or people who have studied in Switzerland. So depending on your ties to Switzerland, this might be a minor disadvantage. That said I do know quite a few people with looser ties to Zurich who passed the MBB interviews.

In my mind this could be due to e.g. different demographics applying, headcount/application ration, etc.

Thanks!

Ian
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am 10. Nov. 2022
Top US BCG / MBB Coach - 5,000 sessions |Tech, Platinion, Big 4 | 9/9 personal interviews passed | 95% candidate success

Hi there,

Congrats on all those interview offers!

1. Is there any advice on whether interviewing in Q4 2022 vs. Q1 2023 would make any difference? 

So, technically (and “officially”) it shouldn't matter. You should really be optimizing for you. As in, when will you be at your best.

That said, I don't love very end of year due a variety of reasons. More specifically, I don't love this end of year as hiring is slowing and pipelines are in flux (interest rate/economic shocks).

2. Is there a different selectivity in different offices? 

Short answer, yes. The US for example has major pushes currently for diversity targets. The UK is seeing a major slump in hiring. Different offices face different situations and will naturally have different hiring outcomes. The “problem” is that there is information asymmetry and it will be hard to “predict” exactly the best office. The way to “fix” this is to apply where YOU fit best and where YOU want to be.

Emily
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am 13. Nov. 2022
Ex McKinsey EM & interviewer (5 yrs) USA & UK| Coached / interviewed 300 +|Free 15 min intro| Stanford MBA|Non-trad

So I recommend looking at the deadline application dates for each of the companies for each of the offices. They all differ and you want to apply before the deadlines. If you're not sure what the deadline is then you may want to drop HR an email introducing yourself and asking what the deadline is. 

There are different levels of competition in different offices. This based on a mixture of how many graduates are in each city, the desirability of living in the city, how well the firm is perceived in that city and what other jobs there are.

Good luck!

Maikol
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am 9. Nov. 2022
BCG Project Leader | Former Bain, AlixPartner, and PE | INSEAD MBA | GMAT 780

Interviewing at the end of the year is always tricky. It may be that they are close to getting to the target of hires for the year. Or it can be that they are still far (more likely) and they are a little bit more in a rush to hire. 
That said, at the moment every firm is quite concerned about the upcoming recession, and some firms in some offices have a hiring freeze. 
To synthesize, I would go for the interview NOW.

Beyond that, if your performance is great, they will hire you even if they don't have a slot at the moment (they'll just postpone your start).

It is very difficult to say if there is a difference in selectivity among offices. 
From my experience, places like Milan, Zurich, NY, and London are a little more selective than Munich, Berlin, Dusseldorf, and Amsterdam. But this is just anecdotal.

Good luck!
 

Anonym A
am 9. Nov. 2022
I really appreciate your insights, Maikol.

I was just wondering: why do you deem it more likely that MBB would still be far from meeting their targets for the year - and therefore perhaps be a bit more lenient - than them being close to their targets?
Maikol
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am 9. Nov. 2022
BCG Project Leader | Former Bain, AlixPartner, and PE | INSEAD MBA | GMAT 780
Because I've seen this issue at every firm I've been to, there is always some shortage in hiring.
In particular, in case there is a significant shortage in one practice, they are a little bit more lenient.
My suggestion is to think also about what value you bring to the firm, also in terms of expertise. Don't focus only on places.
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