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McKinsey Application Timing / Should I reach out to HR?

Application timing McKinsey McKinsey & Company
New answer on Jul 21, 2023
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Anonymous A asked on Jul 13, 2023

I am quite concerned as to what to do regarding applying to McKinsey.

I solved McKinsey's Solve / PSG test in March for a women's event and I did not get selected,  given that due to technical reasons I really ran out of time for the second part of the RedRock study (I literally had no time for any of the cases, but also due to the UI/UX design I did not even realize there was a 3rd part with the cases because it did not show it on the Task bar…and I simply did not take it into account). But more importantly, the instructions were really not clear and I was doing the whole test from my UK keyboard MacBook that I never use for work or to calculate anything (I have an Eastern European keyboard on my work laptop, which is a proper Dell with a calculator pad), so at first I tried to do it on my Mac and I kept messing up substractions / equal signs etc. due to not being familiar with it. So then needless to say I was already panicing and was trying to do the calculations with my mouse on screen since that is what was required…. Of course had I had the chance to prepare for the Red Rock this would not have happened, but unfortunately this was on the weekend where they probably started using this test, and hence I had absolutely 0 idea about how Red Rock is… I read many many comments about being equally surprised as I was due to recieving Red Rock on that exact same day… Not to mention, I did not prepare for interviews at all at that stage, which would have made Red Rock so much easier…. Had I known it would no longer be the  defense game, I would not have done it merely for this event, but rather when I already practiced a fair amounts of cases / mental math / etc.

Either way, I think I did fairly well on the ecosystem one, but perhaps not all species survived, possibly (hopefully) 7. I would be able to get a recommendation for McKinsey but I am not sure if I should actually try to get one at this point... I originally applied for a McKinsey event, not yet for a position, but I know test results are valid for 12 months.

I am wordering whether I should ask for a referral now (any referral I could get would be from someone in a Senior Analyst or perhaps a Junior Consultant position, and not very senior people in McKinsey)?

And more importantly, I am wondering whether it is a good idea for me to reach out to HR and ask about the test, whether this will be the one used for my application's assessment too (despite the fact that i know it will be), and let them know that I had technical difficulties that I believe impacted my performance to a great extent (which is actually true..)?

I am very unhappy about the idea that I would have to wait a year to apply again and get the chance to re-do Solve, because many friends of mine got into McKinsey in the past 1-2 years, and I believe I also have the potential to do so… Of course it is not guaranteed, but I will waste so much time if I can't get through screening now.. So I feel like it would be a shame to simply start a new job at a worse firm.

Many thanks in advance!

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Francesco
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replied on Jul 13, 2023
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Hi there,

Sorry to hear about the previous rejection. In terms of your questions:

1) I am wondering whether I should ask for a referral now

It depends on the urgency of your application. If you can wait until the end of the 12 months, I would do so in order to be able to take the Solve game again. If you need to apply earlier, then I would ask the person referring you to check internally with HR if that could be fine despite the previous test performance.

2) I am wondering whether it is a good idea for me to reach out to HR and ask about the test

I don’t think this will have any impact, but there is also no negative effect if you do it.

Good luck!

Francesco

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Ian
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updated an answer on Jul 13, 2023
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Hi there,

In the future, think about communication.

This was a doozy to read! To be a good consultant you need to have clear, concise thinking & communication. Right now, you are very messy.

Reflect on this post and think “Did I have to write all that?”. Think “What information was needed and what wasn't”.

Think: How can i get my point/question across sooner…how can I help them help me?

Q1: Should I am for a referral?

Yes!

Q2: Should I reach out to HR?

You can, but it won't do much

Comment 1: “it would be a shame to simply start a new job at a worse firm”

You do know this is the base state of 99.9% of the population, right? And they're perfectly fine/happy? Set your expectation a bit more. It's not McKinsey or life's over.

Final Note: Your Mindset

You need to reflect on YOUR actions and whether this is their fault or yours. Right now, you're so sure you're fit for McKinsey, but all the actions/thinking you did reflect that you are not a fit for McKinsey.

I'm not trying to be mean. I'm just saying: Everyone always thinks it's someone else's fault. You know who succeeds? Those who question themelseves, their own actions, their own abilities, and WORK to improve them.

Here are all the things you did wrong here (so that you can learn):

  1. given that due to technical reasons I really ran out of time for the second part of the RedRock study - Not technical reasons. Lack of planning/prep on your part
  2.  due to the UI/UX design I did not even realize there was a 3rd part with the cases because it did not show it on the Task bar - such a shame that you had a different/harder UI/UX than every other person taking (and passing) the test!
  3. But more importantly, the instructions were really not clear - Same as #2. The instructions weren't clear….but other people succeed. Why is this the test's fault and not yours?
  4.  I was doing the whole test from my UK keyboard MacBook that I never use for work or to calculate anything - and why was this the decision you made? Why not use a different laptop? Or, why not have a calculator ready? Or, use their built in calculator? Or use your phone? Or use pen and paper? Seems silly to take a work-based super important test on a laptop you're not used to
  5. Due to not being familiar with it. - why would you let yourself not be familiar with something right before a serious test?
  6. hence I had absolutely 0 idea about how Red Rock is - ok, but on this forums don't we always talk about how you should be ready for anything? How you should prep your core abilities to solve any problem. As in, not memorize a game, but rather build up your skills?
  7. I read many many comments about being equally surprised as I was due to recieving Red Rock on that exact same day - Ok, so everyone else was on the same playing field! And, they passed. While you didn't. Interesting…
  8. I did not prepare for interviews at all at that stage, which would have made Red Rock so much easier - And why not? You're supposed to be 80% case ready before you apply

I'm being direct not to be mean but to try to help. Drop the ego. Drop the blaming others. And be accountable for oyur own actions. If you do this, I know you can succeed. If you don't, I doubt you will. (I've seen other candidates who think similarly, and this is the difference-maker)

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Anonymous A on Jul 13, 2023

Hi Ian, Thank you for your reply although I am rather surprised. I had my reasons to apply then and there, as it was simply an event and the test has been the same for years. I also had my reasons to use my UK laptop to do the test itself, as I made an excel sheet for the ecosystem one, which I did from the laptop I am used to... And as a matter of fact, most people who got the test on that weekend also gave me the feedback that they did not get into the event. Other candidates had the exact same feedback as I did, including the game crashing in the middle of the test (I also had bugs in the game, which impeded my speed, given that it did not want to save my answers in the brackets even after several tries....). While there are plenty of great jobs other than MBB, unfortunately in the city where I live there are barely any options that are English jobs, let alone jobs that are both English and professional on a worldwide level. I am well aware that I am also accountable for not taking the test after preparing for cases, but given that in the past years the test was not case-like at all, I did not prepare for the red rock study as (even candidates and coaches on this forum...) everyone said that almost no candidate ever got red rock so far. I sure did prepare well enough for the previous version of Solve. Just because I am aware of my abilities I did not say I would surely get in, but I do have a rather high chance for it in this environment and this specific office. And this is not only my personal opinion but also that of my peers' who I studied with / were in the same societies and currently work at McKinsey in this office. They did not offer me recommendations without a reason... All in all, thank you for your reply, but I suggest not to judge so quickly and without knowing a candidate's own circumstances... Based on a simple question you sure drew many harsh conclusions without having proper information about me or the situation.

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Ian on Jul 13, 2023

Fair enough! Was just my outside observation. I could give an easy answer that doesn't really help or try to push you to reflect. Sometimes (against my better judgement) I try to get a mindset shift. But via writing it can often come across the wrong way. Sounds like I'm wrong here and you did nothing wrong during the process. Good luck in the rest of the process! :)

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Hi there!

Sorry to hear about this. The reality is that these things happen, regardless of how much you try to prevent them.

In short, I'd suggest 3 things:

1. Yes, try and get a referral. That will increase your chances of passing screening even if your test results are not that great. 

Even if the application doesn't work out, you can ask for another referral from somebody else next year (so there's no harm in it). 

You can use the following guide for these coffee chat discussions in order to get a referral:

2. Yes, reach out to McK HR and explain your situation to them. Acknowledge that it was your fault and you should've thought about this beforehand, but ask whether there's any way in which you could either retake the test or consider your technical difficulties as part of the evaluation process. 

This has the lowest chances of succeeding from my point of view. They tend to be quite stiff with the tests.

3. Apply to more firms and go as broad as you can. Develop a strong application strategy to manage for unfortunate things that happen along the way. 

You can leverage this guide in order to achieve this:

Hope you hear good things from them soon!
Best,
Cristian

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Sophia
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Hello,

I am sorry to hear about your situation. I think it's ok if you want to reach out to HR, explain the situation, and ask whether the same test scores will be used for your application, though I don't think they'd let you retake the test at this point. 

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